Is the city manager, a graduate of Liberty University, founded by the Jerry Falwell family, influenced to lean towards the evangelical movement? There’s a lurid background to this family. The founder is also the architect of the Christo-Fascist movement in this country—ie. Christian Nationalism. Just sayin.
Thank you for bringing attention to this issue. I do believe that the lines get blurred and have often been made uncomfortable by blatantly Christian invocations at City sponsored events. In my book, nonsecular prayer is welcome, as is a simple moment of silence to honor whatever faith partipants do, or do not, hold.
I couldn't agree more. When I read about the prayer breakfasts and Easter Sunday Service I had the same thoughts. I'm a Nature worshiping Pagan and a 29Palms community member and as such I felt that the City was excluding me and promoting one faith over all others. I jokingly told my husband that I was going to show up at the prayer breakfast and ask to present a Pagan prayer and see how THAT went over. If they aren't careful they may just end up on the news... fighting a Baphomet statue on the City Hall lawn or an After School Satan Club at the middle school. 😉😆 But in all seriousness... its a problem in my opinion and they should definately have some guidelines to follow as it appears they lack either the good judgment required or the understanding/respect of a Democracy to keep Church and State separated.
May 16, 2023Liked by Kat Talley-Jones, Cindy Bernard
I went to Shadow Mountain Church one time and they handed me a book of Right-wing talking points like "Cancel culture" and "Socialism". It was quite frankly enraging that they are actually usurping Christian tenants with the tenants of "In Trump we Trust" and pushing manufactured issues geared towards division. Totally agree there should be a separation of church and state, and further, since this church in particular is operating as a political entity, they should lose their non-profit status.
Perhaps the meetings should begin with local stories of Love and Courage!
How about the story of Carlota? (the love of Willie Boy's life). She was murdered by a white posse after her courageous efforts to avoid capture and remain with the person she loved. Carlota is buried in the Chemehuevi Cemetary in Twenty-Nine.
I agree this post is inappropriate, as was that recent invocation. Stories about Jesus have no place in government meetings. I would also love to see the "under god" line removed from the pledge; I cringe every time I hear that.
As a practicing Catholic, I detest nothing more than the so called "Christians", shoving their religion down our throats. That indicates intolerance of other legitimate religions, many which started well before Christianity. The birth of Christ is estimated at between 4BC and 6BC, quite a long estimate IMO, as no one really knows, and no one has proven He existed yet. The Resurrection took care of that; smart choice. Tolerance of other religions indicates tolerance of other razes and beliefs. Governments, whether Federal, State or City, have NO RIGHT to impose their beliefs on others, especially tax payers that elected them to office. Even our priest during his sermon preaches tolerance of others' regardless of their religious choice. Try going to confession, that will humble anyone. VOTE HIM OUT next term.
This is hypocritical coming from a group that calls themselves "29 PALMS NEIGHBORS" as if they represent everyone. Could you please change your name to "SOME 29 PALMS NEIGHBORS" so that the rest of us does not feel like you are taking our voices away?
Long standing Christian here. Religion is always a separate issue from State, for good reason. Stop the prayers and maintain a minute of silence to respect all faiths.
I support this very long-standing issue being addressed., and I applaud the courage of those who are speaking out. I've lived here many years and have visited many churches here. It's been my experience that the conservative agenda and alliance is so ingrained in this community that it's automatically assumed that if you live here, you are both Christian and conservative. In my opinion that assumption along with anti Democrat rhetoric promotes exclusion and division. As far as the comments made by A.W. it seems she exemplifies this exclusionary attitude. Basically, one of (if you don't agree with me or the majority you can't call yourself a neighbor).
Is the city manager, a graduate of Liberty University, founded by the Jerry Falwell family, influenced to lean towards the evangelical movement? There’s a lurid background to this family. The founder is also the architect of the Christo-Fascist movement in this country—ie. Christian Nationalism. Just sayin.
Thank you for bringing attention to this issue. I do believe that the lines get blurred and have often been made uncomfortable by blatantly Christian invocations at City sponsored events. In my book, nonsecular prayer is welcome, as is a simple moment of silence to honor whatever faith partipants do, or do not, hold.
I couldn't agree more. When I read about the prayer breakfasts and Easter Sunday Service I had the same thoughts. I'm a Nature worshiping Pagan and a 29Palms community member and as such I felt that the City was excluding me and promoting one faith over all others. I jokingly told my husband that I was going to show up at the prayer breakfast and ask to present a Pagan prayer and see how THAT went over. If they aren't careful they may just end up on the news... fighting a Baphomet statue on the City Hall lawn or an After School Satan Club at the middle school. 😉😆 But in all seriousness... its a problem in my opinion and they should definately have some guidelines to follow as it appears they lack either the good judgment required or the understanding/respect of a Democracy to keep Church and State separated.
I went to Shadow Mountain Church one time and they handed me a book of Right-wing talking points like "Cancel culture" and "Socialism". It was quite frankly enraging that they are actually usurping Christian tenants with the tenants of "In Trump we Trust" and pushing manufactured issues geared towards division. Totally agree there should be a separation of church and state, and further, since this church in particular is operating as a political entity, they should lose their non-profit status.
Perhaps the meetings should begin with local stories of Love and Courage!
How about the story of Carlota? (the love of Willie Boy's life). She was murdered by a white posse after her courageous efforts to avoid capture and remain with the person she loved. Carlota is buried in the Chemehuevi Cemetary in Twenty-Nine.
I agree this post is inappropriate, as was that recent invocation. Stories about Jesus have no place in government meetings. I would also love to see the "under god" line removed from the pledge; I cringe every time I hear that.
As a practicing Catholic, I detest nothing more than the so called "Christians", shoving their religion down our throats. That indicates intolerance of other legitimate religions, many which started well before Christianity. The birth of Christ is estimated at between 4BC and 6BC, quite a long estimate IMO, as no one really knows, and no one has proven He existed yet. The Resurrection took care of that; smart choice. Tolerance of other religions indicates tolerance of other razes and beliefs. Governments, whether Federal, State or City, have NO RIGHT to impose their beliefs on others, especially tax payers that elected them to office. Even our priest during his sermon preaches tolerance of others' regardless of their religious choice. Try going to confession, that will humble anyone. VOTE HIM OUT next term.
This is hypocritical coming from a group that calls themselves "29 PALMS NEIGHBORS" as if they represent everyone. Could you please change your name to "SOME 29 PALMS NEIGHBORS" so that the rest of us does not feel like you are taking our voices away?
Long standing Christian here. Religion is always a separate issue from State, for good reason. Stop the prayers and maintain a minute of silence to respect all faiths.
I support this very long-standing issue being addressed., and I applaud the courage of those who are speaking out. I've lived here many years and have visited many churches here. It's been my experience that the conservative agenda and alliance is so ingrained in this community that it's automatically assumed that if you live here, you are both Christian and conservative. In my opinion that assumption along with anti Democrat rhetoric promotes exclusion and division. As far as the comments made by A.W. it seems she exemplifies this exclusionary attitude. Basically, one of (if you don't agree with me or the majority you can't call yourself a neighbor).